Pablo Alabarces, Argentinian academy teacher (University of Buenos
Aires) specialized in Popular and Mass Culture. He wrote, among others, Football and Patria (2008) Chronicles of aguante and Football, violence and politics (2012).
Do you think Italian soccer has lost its charm after the
glory days of Maradona, Platini and Zico in the 80s? What is the
European league that you deem more interesting nowadays?
I think so. Italian soccer has lost its charm and attractiveness. For
example, the best footballers play in other leagues and its teams
aren't great anymore. It gains global attention more for cases like
violence or corruption, than for great victories and triumphs (like
Maradona's Naples, for example). The Spanish Liga , on the other hand,
stands out for other reasons: an unforgettable team like Messi's
Barcelona or the multimillionaire Real Madrid that have money to burn:
but they don't have much to offer. Personally, I prefer and I give
attention to Premier League also because more than just two teams fight
for the title.
What's the most-followed league among Argentinians? And why?
I think it's the Spanish one, but I don't have the numbers. Simply
because of Messi, but also because many Argentineans play in Liga.
Although I don't know if there are more than in Italy, counting Inter
and Catania.
You often hear people saying that South American players need
to play in European leagues to really prove that they are stars. Do you
think this is some sort of “Eurocentrism” or the European stage is
still a necessary stepping stone for foreign players to prove
themselves?
Yes, it's Eurocentrism, of course. But it's also true: the football
players who don't have European experience, we call them "jugadores de
cabotaje" (players of domestic flight). But it's an imaginary
evaluation. The reality is that playing in in Europe means to earn an
higher salary and guarantee the future of two generations of family
relatives.
In Europe some big clubs are controlled by foreign investors.
Do you think that some of these big tycoons and investors could start
expanding their conquers to South America?
No, I don't think so. They invest because they do good business,
except those who do it to launder money. South America isn't a good
market to earn money with football. Here, you can form and sell players,
which is a long-term investment.
In Italy football is often tied to economic and political
power (Berlusconi's Milan, Agnelli's Juventus), as a consequence, every
issue in soccer turns into a political one. Do you think this happens in
Argentinean soccer as well?
Of course, even though it's not because of the relationship with
characters of that kind, but for a wider relationship with the political
world. Only Mauricio Macri, ex President of Boca Juniors, is similar to
Berlusconi but he doesn't get to his level. But the interference of
political leaders in football clubs, especially in the smallest ones, is
enormous. It is believed that everything that happens in soccer has a
political effect: I don't think this is necessarily true, but leaders
act like it was, and its appropriation by the state multiplied this
effect.
Parochialism is something that is deeply ingrained in Italian
culture, and fans sing chants against Naples, Milan, or Rome every
Sunday: what do you think about this year's decision to disqualify the
groups of fans that sing chants that are defined by the sporting judge
as “territorial discrimination?”
It's a big and dangerous nonsense. It means to equalize the presumed
territorial discrimination, which is nothing more than historical
hatreds and traditional stereotypes, to real discriminations, which is
sexual or ethnical ones. In these cases, we can see a relationship of
power: among regions, however, there are symmetries or asymmetries that
do not produce relations of superiority/inferiority between the real
subjects. A Neapolitan can think Northern domination caused political
effects, but he doesn't experience this dimension daily. The racist
insult, on the other hand, is a daily experience and you must fight it. I
think territorial hate, which as far as I know it's huge In Italy,
can't be compared to a crime (as far as I know, it isn't). But ethnical
discrimination is a crime in Brazil, and in Italy. In Argentina, too.
But nobody punishes it...
Thanks to our reviewer Lorenzo Franceschi Bicchierai
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